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#1 Posted : Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:25:13 AM(UTC)


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Suggestion to Royal Family: Why not base the TF ranking on something other than number of posts? I get the impression that some just post to see themselves type and further their rank. It's getting more and more difficult to sift thru the fluff to get to the important stuff.

I'm sure I'll get blasted by those who see this forum is for their personal chat room, but it's just my opinion.
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:00:08 AM(UTC)



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uh....what does it matter? Some of us that do chit chat don't exactly care about rank, except for you that is.
And they've already announce they are changing the ranks sometime over the next few months. They will be a mixture of how many flings you've done and how many posts.

Some of us just aren't as rich as you to fling so much, so we chit chat. This IS the "everything else" /chat area.

And I thought that we had all agreed to quit the chit chat/off topic stuff in the "Products" section.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:34:46 AM(UTC)



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knog wrote:
Suggestion to Royal Family: Why not base the TF ranking on something other than number of posts? I get the impression that some just post to see themselves type and further their rank. It's getting more and more difficult to sift thru the fluff to get to the important stuff.

I'm sure I'll get blasted by those who see this forum is for their personal chat room, but it's just my opinion.


We are chatting in the proper forum - the EVERYTHING ELSE section. So, what is your beef? Don't be jealous of us Royal chatters......
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:58:53 AM(UTC)



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I think we are beginning to see an emergence of two ways of thinking--those who are in the new party and living it large on the forums, and those who preferred the forums how they were up to 2 or 3 months ago--it really has transformed tremendously.
You know what I think? I think what is really spurring on the sentiment is the fact that the "active discussions" list is now always majority filled with the idle chit-chat threads. I for one always used to use that as my way of keeping up with topics, but it is less useful to me now. Just my observation, in my eyes, the everything else forum could stand to be split off of that list and leave it for well, everything else.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, April 08, 2008 6:05:56 AM(UTC)


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Looks that way, Scaredwitless. I always thought that the Thing Fling "everything else "forum was there for more general information about TF.

The TF Member gallery was a cute idea, but it's become a "what my cat had for dinner" and just lately "what color my hair is today" chat room. Why not move that stuff to FaceBook?

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#6 Posted : Tuesday, April 08, 2008 6:24:30 AM(UTC)



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knog wrote:
Looks that way, Scaredwitless. I always thought that the Thing Fling "everything else "forum was there for more general information about TF.

The TF Member gallery was a cute idea, but it's become a "what my cat had for dinner" and just lately "what color my hair is today" chat room. Why not move that stuff to FaceBook?



I personally don't think it is in Thing Flings interest to have people who buy from their site go to another website to chat as it were. TF shouldn't mind it because now they have people coming to their website for 2 reasons or twice as much (which ever way to prefer to look at it) TF is a business. Think of it like Barnes and Noble. You have people just hanging out and sometimes buying things, Then you have the people who come in, purchase and leave. All these customers make the store "busy" Could you imagine B&N asking people to go to Dunkin Donuts instead? Besides, online the more people you have viewing your website the more AD revenue you can create. It is in TF's best interest to have as many people as possible come to their site.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, April 08, 2008 6:33:27 AM(UTC)



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veedubkid wrote:
knog wrote:
Looks that way, Scaredwitless. I always thought that the Thing Fling "everything else "forum was there for more general information about TF.

The TF Member gallery was a cute idea, but it's become a "what my cat had for dinner" and just lately "what color my hair is today" chat room. Why not move that stuff to FaceBook?



I personally don't think it is in Thing Flings interest to have people who buy from their site go to another website to chat as it were. TF shouldn't mind it because now they have people coming to their website for 2 reasons or twice as much (which ever way to prefer to look at it) TF is a business. Think of it like Barnes and Noble. You have people just hanging out and sometimes buying things, Then you have the people who come in, purchase and leave. All these customers make the store "busy" Could you imagine B&N asking people to go to Dunkin Donuts instead? Besides, online the more people you have viewing your website the more AD revenue you can create. It is in TF's best interest to have as many people as possible come to their site.


VERY well put Vee. What is wrong with having both? Discussions about products, and discussion between friends? While I'm here discussing something totally "off topic," something might appear up for sale that I would purchase, and would not otherwise see if I wasn't here BS'ing with my friends. If the friendly, fun discussions ended on this site, I wouldn't visit nearly as often, and I'm sure the same goes with a lot of people on here. It's a fun place to visit, to shop, to hang out, etc. Ain't nothing wrong with that..... And like Melmo said, we made a vow not to "chit chat" in the product threads, and it seems that everyone is adhering to that vow.
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veedubkid wrote:
I personally don't think it is in Thing Flings interest to have people who buy from their site go to another website to chat as it were. TF shouldn't mind it because now they have people coming to their website for 2 reasons or twice as much (which ever way to prefer to look at it) TF is a business. Think of it like Barnes and Noble. You have people just hanging out and sometimes buying things, Then you have the people who come in, purchase and leave. All these customers make the store "busy" Could you imagine B&N asking people to go to Dunkin Donuts instead? Besides, online the more people you have viewing your website the more AD revenue you can create. It is in TF's best interest to have as many people as possible come to their site.


It isn't as if we didn't have people on the forum before the recent boom in membership, there always was a community here, and always discussion, and plenty of people who came back daily for the discussion alongside withe flinging. But it was largely a different crowd, a paradigm shift in at least the most vocal group is occurring. The question that stands to be answered for TF in way of draw back as you discuss, is whether the new paradigm will attract and keep members more successfully than the old (a quieter forum, more focused to TF related topics)
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, April 08, 2008 6:39:30 AM(UTC)



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scaredwitless wrote:
veedubkid wrote:
I personally don't think it is in Thing Flings interest to have people who buy from their site go to another website to chat as it were. TF shouldn't mind it because now they have people coming to their website for 2 reasons or twice as much (which ever way to prefer to look at it) TF is a business. Think of it like Barnes and Noble. You have people just hanging out and sometimes buying things, Then you have the people who come in, purchase and leave. All these customers make the store "busy" Could you imagine B&N asking people to go to Dunkin Donuts instead? Besides, online the more people you have viewing your website the more AD revenue you can create. It is in TF's best interest to have as many people as possible come to their site.


It isn't as if we didn't have people on the forum before the recent boom in membership, there always was a community here, and always discussion, and plenty of people who came back daily for the discussion alongside withe flinging. But it was largely a different crowd, a paradigm shift in at least the most vocal group is occurring. The question that stands to be answered for TF in way of draw back as you discuss, is whether the new paradigm will attract and keep members more successfully than the old (a quieter forum, more focused to TF related topics)


Well, like you said - there is a "recent boom in membership," so something must be attracting new members. And I think a lot of new membership is due to the nice, clean fun we have on the forum.
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HendersonHenderson wrote:
VERY well put Vee. What is wrong with having both? Discussions about products, and discussion between friends? While I'm here discussing something totally "off topic," something might appear up for sale that I would purchase, and would not otherwise see if I wasn't here BS'ing with my friends. If the friendly, fun discussions ended on this site, I wouldn't visit nearly as often, and I'm sure the same goes with a lot of people on here. It's a fun place to visit, to shop, to hang out, etc. Ain't nothing wrong with that..... And like Melmo said, we made a vow not to "chit chat" in the product threads, and it seems that everyone is adhering to that vow.


I think that's part of the point, you have a WE, you have a group[ small enough that can take such a vow--It is primarily a small group creating most of the activity. Nothing wrong weith that, but it is different. I merely think the forum population is likely to change greatly even still.
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scaredwitless wrote:
HendersonHenderson wrote:
VERY well put Vee. What is wrong with having both? Discussions about products, and discussion between friends? While I'm here discussing something totally "off topic," something might appear up for sale that I would purchase, and would not otherwise see if I wasn't here BS'ing with my friends. If the friendly, fun discussions ended on this site, I wouldn't visit nearly as often, and I'm sure the same goes with a lot of people on here. It's a fun place to visit, to shop, to hang out, etc. Ain't nothing wrong with that..... And like Melmo said, we made a vow not to "chit chat" in the product threads, and it seems that everyone is adhering to that vow.


I think that's part of the point, you have a WE, you have a group[ small enough that can take such a vow--It is primarily a small group creating most of the activity. Nothing wrong weith that, but it is different. I merely think the forum population is likely to change greatly even still.


I don't look at it as having a "WE." For the most part, newcomers and old timers seem to get along quite well. I've seen tons of "welcome aboard" posts for people that just signed up. This is a very nice forum to belong to. By "we," I meant the forum as a whole agreed (after Surratt's post) to try our best not to post anything in the product threads that was off topic, which is why we (aka the forum members) have moved to "everything else" to play and have fun.
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Well, like you said - there is a "recent boom in membership," so something must be attracting new members. And I think a lot of new membership is due to the nice, clean fun we have on the forum.


By boon, I meant those that appeared since a little bit before Xmas till now, so that would mean us oldies attracted you all. Bad Grin

Keep going with what you're all doing, change happens, though in my case it has meant frequenting the everything else forum far less frequently, but that's okay. It is healthy though to discuss the matter, and really these forums have always been self-governing. So continue the evolution! Have fun, always what the atmosphere around here was.
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I like numbers. TF has approx 850,000 members, 5700 of whom have joined since Feb 1. Oddly enough, the numbers have gone down since you and your friends started your prolific chatting. Now, of course, this isn't science and there are many factors which might account for the downturn, but it's certainly something to think about.

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I think we are beginning to see an emergence of two ways of thinking--those who are in the new party and living it large on the forums, and those who preferred the forums how they were up to 2 or 3 months ago--it really has transformed tremendously.
You know what I think? I think what is really spurring on the sentiment is the fact that the "active discussions" list is now always majority filled with the idle chit-chat threads. I for one always used to use that as my way of keeping up with topics, but it is less useful to me now. Just my observation, in my eyes, the everything else forum could stand to be split off of that list and leave it for well, everything else.


I think scaredwitless made a very important point here that has been ingored in the susequent conversation, and that is the line about the "Active discussions" list. I think it is true that most of the chit-chat has been taking place in the "Everything Else" forum, and I think that is good. However, I think most long-time flingers are not used to actually clicking on "Forum" up at the top, then on "Products", then on the thread we're interested in. Instead, we're accustomed to just checking the "Active Discussions" section at the bottom. (Not too long ago, you could check in there every few hours and not miss a thing.) We're used to all the useful info being right there under "active discussions", but now the "active discussions" are mostly chit-chat and you have to dig a little to get info. So unless TF is going to increase the "Active Discussions" to show the last 20 or so threads (which personally I think would be great) or have two active discussion sections (one for products, one for misc.), the old-timers are just going to have to accept that "active discussions" is now useless to them, and actually dig around in the forum. This really should be no big deal, but of course old habits die hard, and any change is usually accompanied with a certain amount of complaining. I think that is understandable.

Just trying to help the new folks maybe understand the old folks a little, since I kind of feel like something of a hybrid (been around for a while, have been posting much more since the forums livened up, but will never have time to post nearly as much as the handful of mega-posters).
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Oops. Repost. But at least I'm getting my post count up so I can increase my rank. Not that I care about that.
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knog wrote:
Suggestion to Royal Family: Why not base the TF ranking on something other than number of posts? I get the impression that some just post to see themselves type and further their rank. It's getting more and more difficult to sift thru the fluff to get to the important stuff.

I'm sure I'll get blasted by those who see this forum is for their personal chat room, but it's just my opinion.


1. This forum IS for our personal chat...duh!

2. in case you haven't noticed..we are TRYING to keep products..just products and What did you get..Just that

3. maybe there are a FEW who post just to get their posts up there, but not ALL of us.

We are trying to be a NICE ThingFling community here. So we're interested in WHO we are sharing this site with...what's the big deal??

ANYONE can come in and post with us...we are not bais to anyone...UNLESS they're just trying to cause trouble...then there's a problem.

I understand there's a problem when the MAIN forums have a bunch of OFF TOPICS in them....I personally have asked that we TRY to stay ON TOPIC because I know it IS upsetting the others. BUT it will happen occasionally...

Also, I'd like to add that there are WAY more older members joining in on the 'chatter' and have even said they enjoy it.

SO..MY question is:

What is ya'll's problem with ANYONE chatting in an EVERYTHING ELSE FORUM???

Or, for that matter why come in and try to cause trouble when everyone is having fun??

ARE YOU JEALOUS?? All you have to do is post with us..INSTEAD of against us!!

AS for the MAIN topic here...I could really care less about the RANKINGS....ThingFling could base it on Flings for all I care!!

I LIKE meeting these people and I enjoy learning who they are

HELLLOOOOO That's HOW you make friends!!
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I think scaredwitless made a very important point here that has been ingored in the susequent conversation, and that is the line about the "Active discussions" list. I think it is true that most of the chit-chat has been taking place in the "Everything Else" forum, and I think that is good. However, I think most long-time flingers are not used to actually clicking on "Forum" up at the top, then on "Products", then on the thread we're interested in. Instead, we're accustomed to just checking the "Active Discussions" section at the bottom. (Not too long ago, you could check in there every few hours and not miss a thing.) We're used to all the useful info being right there under "active discussions", but now the "active discussions" are mostly chit-chat and you have to dig a little to get info. So unless TF is going to increase the "Active Discussions" to show the last 20 or so threads (which personally I think would be great) or have two active discussion sections (one for products, one for misc.), the old-timers are just going to have to accept that "active discussions" is now useless to them, and actually dig around in the forum. This really should be no big deal, but of course old habits die hard, and any change is usually accompanied with a certain amount of complaining. I think that is understandable.

Just trying to help the new folks maybe understand the old folks a little, since I kind of feel like something of a hybrid (been around for a while, have been posting much more since the forums livened up, but will never have time to post nearly as much as the handful of mega-posters).


Thanks for helping to bridge the generation gap. Smile I stand by my assertion that this is a major thorn in the forum 1.0 members side, active discussions is also the most visible forum related anything, being on the front page.

You are a great example though, of what I meant with the paradigm shift--the format of the forum really has changed quite a bit. Of the old timers, some liked the old format and will end up leaving or frequenting less often, and yet some will thrive in the new format and post and frequent even more. That's all. As I said, things change, I will accept the change and not hold on to the past, but I encourage you of the forum 2.0 crowd to continue to adapt to the situation, I mean one of the great things about this forum is it has never been actively moderated and policed. Although there are basically no rules, we have managed all this time to keep ourselves civil and lively and with our own set of etiquette. So I do commend you all for "agreeing" to keep it in everything else (which funnily enough used to be the least used forum.. okay okay, games was the least used forum!). Keep it up, hear the complainers out, you may not like what they're saying, but that's how the community evolves, like that's how TF has continuously evolved.
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Yes, I clearly am JEALOUS of your ability to MAKE friends on a DOD website. And that you have such a GREAT command of the SHIFT key. And you MIGHT check the sensitivity of your keystrokes. Hello has only two els and one o.


My point was that the incessant chatter has made TF less attractive for me and perhaps others.
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Oh I just want to throw this bit of thought out there: Maybe another issue coming up, ironically, is that ranks around here, even based on the simplistic post count system, actually DID used to mean something. And now is meaningless. It used to be that you could be fairly certain that posters of higher ranks were going to be the posters from which you'd find the most useful information and helpful posts. Just happened that way naturally, it was kind of neat.
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Yes, I clearly am JEALOUS of your ability to MAKE friends on a DOD website. And that you have such a GREAT command of the SHIFT key. And you MIGHT check the sensitivity of your keystrokes. Hello has only two els and one o.


My point was that the incessant chatter has made TF less attractive for me and perhaps others.


The solution is very simple - don't frequent the board if you don't like it. I'm fairly new here, and every time I have seen a post from you it has always contained a negative connotation in some form or another. Why are you so bitter about the fact that there is a lot of fun in this forum, and posters, for the most part, highly enjoy participating? I'm not trying to bash you, but it seems you want to eliminate the happy and fun aspect of the TF forums. What reason could you have to want to do that???
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